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Call
for Assistance Archive 1
The following "Calls for
Assistance" posts are for the most part closed. If you
see something that you recognize the submitter would welcome
your additional input.
Unusual Bullets
(posted 12/5/02) Updated 12/18/02
Unknown Shotshell Wad
(posted 12/5/02) Updated 12/18/02
Unknown Submachine Gun
(posted 11/27/02)
Updated 12/18/02
Projectile
ID? (posted 9/16/02),
Updated 9/17/02, Updated 10/1/02
Unknown 25 AUTO
bullet (posted 9/13/02)
Updated 9/26/02
Propellant ID Needed
(posted 9/9/02)
Updated 9/10/02
Unknown Shotshell Wad
(posted 8/22/02)
Updated 8/27/02
380 AUTO Rifling Match Needed
(posted 8/21/02)
Updated 8/27/02
Possible Drop-In
Auto Sear? (posted 8/14/02)
Updated 8/27/02
Unknown Bullet
(posted 3/9/02)
Updated 3/16/02
Shotshell ID Needed
(Posted 1/8/03)
See update below!
Here is a 12 gauge slug load that
was turned over to our lab. I don't know the manufacturer.
The slug weighs 1.1 oz. The nose of the slug has 3 faint
scored marks in it (to aid in expansion?). The wadding is
white plastic with the word "Patented" formed in the base.
There is a hard plastic disk in the wadding between the slug
and the bottom of the wadding where the slug seats.

There is no indication that there
was any printing present on the sides of the shell.
The headstamp is simply a star in the 12 and 6 o'clock
position and "12" in the 3 and 9 o'clock position.
Any verification as to
manufacturer would be appreciated.
Regards,
Chris Monturo
caspian45acp@hotmail.com
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Jason Flater was quick to ID this one! -
webmaster I
believe you have a "Quickshok" cartridge from Polywad,
Inc in Macon, GA. The slug is designed to break
into three segments, much like the Quick-Shok .22s;
(hence the scores)
I don't have a sample of
the slug in our lab, but I do have one of their
"Spread-R" birdshot loads with the same headstamp.
http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/quik-shok-shotshells/
Hope this helps,
Jason Flater
GBI Northwestern Regional Crime Lab
Summerville, GA
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Unusual Bullets
(posted 12/5/02)
Received these bullets from
shooting scene.

Both approx 0.357" in diameter
and weigh 101 grains. Bullets appear to have thin plated
copper jacket and a deep jacket enclosed cavity in base.
I first thought maybe 380 auto but the deep crimp is kind of
odd. Can't rule out reload.
Does Anybody recognize this
bullet style, manufacture or possible caliber?
Thanks for any info.
Leland Samuelson
Portland Crime Lab,
Oregon State Police
leland.samuelson@state.or.us
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Update (12/18/02)
Sgt. Kidd of the Miami-Dade Police Crime Lab
identified these bullets as copper plated 380 auto 100 gr.
round nose hollow base bullets from Berry Mfg.
Here is their website and address:
http://www.berrysmfg.com
Berry's Mfg, Inc.
401 North 3050 East St.
George Utah 84790
Telephone: 1 (800) 269-7373
Email:
sales@berrysmfg.com
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Unknown
Shotshell Wad (posted 12/5/02)
The Vermont Forensic Laboratory
recently received a wad from a shotshell of unknown
manufacture. None of us (Evan Hodge, Garry Lawrence, nor I)
have any ideas about its origin.
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The evidence is a 12 Ga plastic
wad approximately 2 inches long. Anyone who has an idea they
would like to suggest can e-mail Evan Hodge at
ehodge@dps.state.vt.us. Thank you for your help.
Dana Bonar
| Update
(12/18/02)
A number of people wrote Dana and Evan with information
about the unknown wad. So far the following
manufacturers have been identified as producing similar
shot/slug wads:
- "Cervo" (Italy),
sold as a component.
- "Lightfield" slug
loads
- "UEE Royal Club Bala"
(Sweden), F-85 shotshells
- "Activ"
One ounce rifled slugs.
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Unknown Submachine
Gun
(posted 11/27/02)
Can somebody help me to
identify the manufacturer of the submachine gun seen below?
It is chambered in 9mm Luger and uses an UZI magazine.
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Thanks,
André DESMARAIS,
Andre.DESMARAIS@interieur.gouv.fr
Laboratoire de Police
Scientifique de LYON (Forensic laboratory)
FRANCE
Update (12/18/02)
Chris Monturo
posted the picture of the above submachine gun on a
few message boards and received the following
information about the firearm. André DESMARAIS
was able to confirm the information through an
associate in France.
Pleter M91
Submachine gun 9mm
The civil war and break up of the former country of
Yugoslavia left the Croatian part of that country with
virtually no weapons. Thus, they endeavored to
manufacture new designs, as the arms embargo hindered
their ability to purchase them on the world market.
The Pleter M91 9mm submachine gun was introduced in
1991 as one of a handful of Croatian designed
submachine guns. In fact, the Pleter was the first
indigenous Croatian produced submachine gun. The word
Pleter is derived from Pleternica, which is a city in
the Slavonian part of Croatia where the weapon was
produced.
The open bolt design
clones the British Sten submachine gun of World War II
fame, but incorporates a vertical rather than a
horizontal magazine. The receiver consists of a steel
tube, which includes a butt cap and a horizontal pin
to capture the bolt and recoil spring. These are held
captive at the rear end of the receiver. The forward
portion of the receiver houses the barrel nut, which
interfaces a removable barrel. The similarity to the
Sten is obvious. The magazine housing is located at
the bottom portion of the receiver directly under the
ejection port. The ejection port is located directly
on the top of the weapon behind the barrel. The
magazine housing is a very long and sturdy affair,
which is produced specifically to act as a solid
forward grip housing.
Many other submachine
gun designs incur problems utilizing the magazine as a
forward grip. The stress allows instability in feeding
due to the weak interface of the magazine. A steel box
is welded under the receiver, which contains the fire
control parts including the trigger and sear. An
aluminum pistol grip is fitted over this box.
A telescopic butt stock
is connected to the rear portion of the pistol grip
via two cross pins, which include a locking device.
This wire stock closely mimics the U. S. designed M3
submachine gun stock, also of World War II vintage.
The bolt and recoil
spring appear to be a direct copy of the British Sten
submachine gun. The charging handle is located at the
top of the receiver, which is easily accessible by the
non-firing hand. A rudimentary safety consists of a
cutout in the bolt handle slot in the receiver, which
locks the bolt to the rear, although variant models of
the Pleter utilized a grip safety.
A two position feed
magazine of Uzi design was typically incorporated into
the Pleter submachine gun of 25 and 32 round capacity.
A large number of variants existed that interfaced the
Swedish Carl Gustav M45 36 round magazines and 72
round Soumi submachine gun drum magazines. This was
engineered into the system to utilize the existing
magazines available. In reality, this was a gun for
all magazines that the country had on hand at the
time. The fire selection is available in full
automatic fire only as there is no provision for semi
automatic fire. The cyclic rate of fire is 630 rounds
per minute in automatic fire. but since the cyclic
rate of fire is low it is possible to pull off semi
automatic fire with practice.
The sighting system
exhibited on the Pleter is a very simple flat blade
front sight adjustable for windage and a L-shaped
single aperture non-adjustable rear sight.
The left side of the
magazine housing exhibited a stamping with the words
Pleter 91 and a Croatian shield clearly visible.
Typically, the finish
of the weapon was a salt blued matt non-reflective
finish.
Where stealth was
paramount, a sound suppressed Pleter M91 was
available. This weapon consisted of a silencer, which
covers the ported barrel thereby reducing the velocity
and sound signature of the fired ammunition to a level
inaudible at 50 meters.
Specifications:
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Cartridge 9x19mm
parabellum
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Operation Blowback open
bolt
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Feed 25 and 32 round two
position feed box magazines
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Weight 3.150 kg
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Length stock retracted
642mm stock extended 699mm
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Barrel 220mm
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Sights Front blade rear
single aperture set at 100m
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Rate of fire 630 rounds
per minute
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Projectile
ID? (posted 9/16/02)
See Update below.
Assistance is needed in the
identification of the projectile seen in the x-rays below.
The projectile appears to be in the 22-25 caliber range (note
the paper clips in the first image) and has passed through
dense bone with no obvious deformation. Base appears
smaller in diameter than the nose. Some lead
fragmentation was found in the victim's shoe and ankle.
Could it be a solid steel or
brass bullet/core? Nose plug from a larger diameter
bullet? Blunted lead/copper jacketed bullet?

(click image for larger view)

(click image for larger view)
Thanks,
Scott Doyle
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Update 9/17/02
Captain Tom Parrett of the Memphis Police
Department wrote yesterday to suggest the projectile
in question resembled a 1944 vintage German 9mm steel
bullet core they have in their cartridge collection.
The core measured .515" long, had a base diameter of
.270" and measured .305" at its largest diameter. The
jacket was steel, with a copper colored coating and
had a thin lead layer between jacket and core.
Capt. Parrett also supplied an image of the steel core
as seen below.

(click Images
for larger view)
Update 10/1/02
Emil Hamza of the Institute for Forensic
Sciences, Firearms Laboratory, in Budapest, Hungary
writes:
I have
seen the X-ray exposures on the AFTE home page about
the unidentified projectile. I have a little different
opinion about the projectile’s origin than Mr. Tom
Parrett. I also think that is a steel core of a
bullet, but I would rather suggest that it is a core
of a Czechoslovakian 7,62 mm Tokarev, or probably a
Czechoslovakian .32 Auto bullet, not a German 9 mm
Parabellum core.
On
the first attached photo you can see Tokarev bullets
(nickel-plated and tombak-plated steel jacketed) and
their steel core on the left, and .32 Auto bullets
(nickel plated and tombak plated steel jacketed) and
their core on the right. Both are Czechoslovakian
made, the Tokarevs were produced in the 50’s, the .32
Autos some later.

The
Tokarev core measured .536” long, base diameter is
.222”, largest diameter is .266”. The .32 Auto
core is .446” long, base diameter is .228”, largest
diameter is .249”.
On the
second picture you can see from left to the right two
different 9 mm Parabellum cores, the 7,62 mm Tokarev
and the .32 Auto cores.

Considering their size, shape and the proportions I
would suggest that the projectile visible on the X-
ray exposures is a 7,62 mm Tokarev steel core.
Best regards,
Emil Hamza
Institute for Forensic Sciences
Firearms Laboratory
H-1903 Budapest, P.O.Box 314/4
Hungary |

Unknown 25 AUTO
bullet (posted 9/13/02)
See Update Below
Has anyone seen this type of
bullet before? It appears to be a 25 caliber. It weighs 40
grains and probably lost some mass. It has a typical hard
copper jacket. The odd thing about it is the lead core. It
appears to have a copper wash type coating, similar to a 22
Rimfire type bullet.

(click image for larger view)
Please contact:
Don Dunbar
California Dept. of Justice
Chico Laboratory
or call 530 895-5024
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Update 9/26/02:
Thanks to Bill Matty from San
Bernardino County, who suggested it could be from a 22
Magnum cartridge manufactured by Winchester. Some of
their bullets do have a lead core with a copper wash,
under a hard copper jacket.
According
to Paul Szabo of Winchester, 22 Magnum bullets made
prior to 1992 by Winchester all had copper wash lead
cores. Since 1992, only the hollow points have this type
of lead core.
Thanks,
Don Dunbar |

Propellant ID
Needed (posted
9/9/02)
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Update (9/10/02):
My thanks to Shane Staniek
and Mike Trimpe for both identifying these spheres as
pyrotechnic "stars". They are not a black powder
substitute, but rather the contents of fireworks, such
as crackering balls. |
OK you black powder shooters,
this one should be academic. Do you recognize the
propellant in this photo?

It was submitted as part of a
misconduct involving weapons charge where the accused
accidentally blew off his thumb. I placed one of these
spheres in a ceramic dish and held a propane torch flame to
it. Nothing happened for several moments, then the
sphere erupted in a fierce ball of flame causing the sphere
to hop out of the dish, roll across the counter, and burn
the Formica.
Thanks,
Bob Shem

Unknown Shotshell Wad
(posted 8/22/02)
Below is a scan of a shotshell wad from a
case I'm working on.

I'm trying to figure out the manufacturer.
If anyone has seen this wad please respond to :
or 210-335-4161
Update (8/27/02):
Ed Love has advised that he had over 20 contacts regarding the
wad. It was identified as a Federal 12 Gauge wad.

380 AUTO Rifling Match Needed
(posted 8/21/02)
I have identified two bullets
from two different locations and two different dates as
having been fired from the same firearm. The manufacturer of
the bullets is Winchester WinClean ammunition. The bullet
data is as follows:
380 Auto
6/Left LWD:
.088 GWD:
.097
When I ran a GRC search on
the bullet + - .006" I received four 38 Special
revolvers, a 38 S&W revolver and a 9mm Davis Derringer. I
also ran 380 Auto/6-L but no guns were found with rifling
parameters close to the above mentioned measurements.
Cobra Enterprises located in
Salt Lake City is manufacturing a pistol which is basically
a Davis make over but I have not been able to obtain any
additional information on this pistol's rifling.
If anyone is aware of a brand of pistol
with the above rifling parameters please contact:
Bill McBrayer
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Crime Lab
Ph. 704-353-1068
Update (8/27/02):
The following
information is in response to a recent case where I was
trying to determine what type of firearm(s) we were looking
for in a recent Armed Robber case. For some reason the
parameters were not in the GRC. AFTE member Michelle Kuehner
with the Allegheny County Corner's office headed me in the
right direction. Sure enough the pistol we are most likely
looking for is a Davis Industries 380 Auto caliber P-380 or
that what I have determined the best possibility would be.
I found a P-380 in our reference collection and wanted to
forward all the data to you for inclusion if possible.
Michelle
indicated in her email for me to try SN around AP468 --- and
this is when I found the above mentioned.
Thanks
Michelle!
Possible
Drop-In Auto Sear? (posted 8/14/02)
Recently a case was submitted
to our laboratory in which the suspect was alleged to have
converted several firearms to full auto. Some suspected
drugs were submitted along with several bags of gun parts. I
was able to identify all of the parts in the bags except
for one part. Below are several pictures of the part in
question. My first thought was that it is a drop-in auto
sear of some sort but I'm not really sure.

(Click images for larger
views)
Any assistance would be
greatly appreciated.
Please contact John R. Clark
at 585-428-3446 or by email.
Thank you
John R. Clark
Monroe County Public Safety Crime Laboratory in Rochester,
NY
Update
(8/27/02): Chris Monturo wrote today to advise that he
and John have identified the part as a clip on night sight
for an AK-47. John did some further research and found
it to be of East German origin.

Unknown
Bullet
(posted 3/9/02)
I had a .429 inch
diameter semi-jacketed bullet come into the lab that I would
like to find out who made it.

Thanks,
Evan Thompson
Washington State Patrol
UPDATE
(3/16/02)
Unconfirmed: from two independent responses, both of
which said it was something that Cor Bin Manufacturing put
out. Supposedly you put the piece of lead rope in the
copper jacket and place the two items in a swaging press that
produces the finished product (along with the tit on the
bullet).


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