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 Call for Assistance Archive 1

The following "Calls for Assistance" posts are for the most part closed.  If you see something that you recognize the submitter would welcome your additional input.


 

Shotshell ID Needed (Posted 1/8/03)  See update below!

Here is a 12 gauge slug load that was turned over to our lab. I don't know the manufacturer.  The slug weighs 1.1 oz. The nose of the slug has 3 faint scored marks in it (to aid in expansion?). The wadding is white plastic with the word "Patented" formed in the base. There is a hard plastic disk in the wadding between the slug and the bottom of the wadding where the slug seats.

 

There is no indication that there was any printing present on the sides of  the shell.  The headstamp is simply a star in the 12 and 6 o'clock position and "12" in the 3 and 9 o'clock position.

Any verification as to manufacturer would be appreciated.

Regards,

Chris Monturo
caspian45acp@hotmail.com

Jason Flater was quick to ID this one! - webmaster

I believe you have a "Quickshok" cartridge from Polywad, Inc in Macon, GA.  The slug is designed to break into three segments, much like the Quick-Shok .22s; (hence the scores) 

I don't have a sample of the slug in our lab, but I do have one of their "Spread-R" birdshot loads with the same headstamp.

http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/quik-shok-shotshells/

Hope this helps,

Jason Flater
GBI Northwestern Regional Crime Lab
Summerville, GA

 

 



 

Unusual Bullets (posted 12/5/02)

Received these bullets from shooting scene. 

Both approx 0.357" in diameter and weigh 101 grains.  Bullets appear to have thin plated copper jacket and a deep jacket enclosed cavity in base.  I first thought maybe 380 auto but the deep crimp is kind of odd.  Can't rule out reload. 

Does Anybody recognize this bullet style, manufacture or possible caliber?

Thanks for any info.

Leland Samuelson
Portland Crime Lab,
Oregon State Police  
leland.samuelson@state.or.us

Update (12/18/02)

Sgt. Kidd of the Miami-Dade Police Crime Lab identified these bullets as copper plated 380 auto 100 gr. round nose hollow base bullets from Berry Mfg.

Here is their website and address:   http://www.berrysmfg.com

Berry's Mfg, Inc.
401 North 3050 East St.
George Utah 84790
Telephone: 1 (800) 269-7373
Email: sales@berrysmfg.com

 

 



 

Unknown Shotshell Wad (posted 12/5/02)

The Vermont Forensic Laboratory recently received a wad from a shotshell of unknown manufacture. None of us (Evan Hodge, Garry Lawrence, nor I) have any ideas about its origin.

The evidence is a 12 Ga plastic wad approximately 2 inches long. Anyone who has an idea they would like to suggest can e-mail Evan Hodge at ehodge@dps.state.vt.us. Thank you for your help.

Dana Bonar

Update (12/18/02)

A number of people wrote Dana and Evan with information about the unknown wad.  So far the following manufacturers have been identified as producing similar shot/slug wads:

  • "Cervo" (Italy), sold as a component.
  • "Lightfield" slug loads
  • "UEE Royal Club Bala" (Sweden), F-85 shotshells
  • "Activ" One ounce rifled slugs.


 

Unknown Submachine Gun (posted 11/27/02)

Can somebody help me to identify the manufacturer of the submachine gun seen below?  It is chambered in 9mm Luger and uses an UZI magazine.

Thanks,

André DESMARAIS, Andre.DESMARAIS@interieur.gouv.fr
Laboratoire de Police Scientifique de LYON (Forensic laboratory)
FRANCE

Update (12/18/02)

Chris Monturo posted the picture of the above submachine gun on a few message boards and received the following information about the firearm.  André DESMARAIS was able to confirm the information through an associate in France.

Pleter M91 Submachine gun 9mm
The civil war and break up of the former country of Yugoslavia left the Croatian part of that country with virtually no weapons. Thus, they endeavored to manufacture new designs, as the arms embargo hindered their ability to purchase them on the world market. The Pleter M91 9mm submachine gun was introduced in 1991 as one of a handful of Croatian designed submachine guns. In fact, the Pleter was the first indigenous Croatian produced submachine gun. The word Pleter is derived from Pleternica, which is a city in the Slavonian part of Croatia where the weapon was produced.

The open bolt design clones the British Sten submachine gun of World War II fame, but incorporates a vertical rather than a horizontal magazine. The receiver consists of a steel tube, which includes a butt cap and a horizontal pin to capture the bolt and recoil spring. These are held captive at the rear end of the receiver. The forward portion of the receiver houses the barrel nut, which interfaces a removable barrel. The similarity to the Sten is obvious. The magazine housing is located at the bottom portion of the receiver directly under the ejection port. The ejection port is located directly on the top of the weapon behind the barrel. The magazine housing is a very long and sturdy affair, which is produced specifically to act as a solid forward grip housing.

Many other submachine gun designs incur problems utilizing the magazine as a forward grip. The stress allows instability in feeding due to the weak interface of the magazine. A steel box is welded under the receiver, which contains the fire control parts including the trigger and sear. An aluminum pistol grip is fitted over this box.

A telescopic butt stock is connected to the rear portion of the pistol grip via two cross pins, which include a locking device. This wire stock closely mimics the U. S. designed M3 submachine gun stock, also of World War II vintage.

The bolt and recoil spring appear to be a direct copy of the British Sten submachine gun. The charging handle is located at the top of the receiver, which is easily accessible by the non-firing hand. A rudimentary safety consists of a cutout in the bolt handle slot in the receiver, which locks the bolt to the rear, although variant models of the Pleter utilized a grip safety.

A two position feed magazine of Uzi design was typically incorporated into the Pleter submachine gun of 25 and 32 round capacity. A large number of variants existed that interfaced the Swedish Carl Gustav M45 36 round magazines and 72 round Soumi submachine gun drum magazines. This was engineered into the system to utilize the existing magazines available. In reality, this was a gun for all magazines that the country had on hand at the time. The fire selection is available in full automatic fire only as there is no provision for semi automatic fire. The cyclic rate of fire is 630 rounds per minute in automatic fire. but since the cyclic rate of fire is low it is possible to pull off semi automatic fire with practice.

The sighting system exhibited on the Pleter is a very simple flat blade front sight adjustable for windage and a L-shaped single aperture non-adjustable rear sight.

The left side of the magazine housing exhibited a stamping with the words Pleter 91 and a Croatian shield clearly visible.

Typically, the finish of the weapon was a salt blued matt non-reflective finish.

Where stealth was paramount, a sound suppressed Pleter M91 was available. This weapon consisted of a silencer, which covers the ported barrel thereby reducing the velocity and sound signature of the fired ammunition to a level inaudible at 50 meters.

Specifications:

  • Cartridge 9x19mm parabellum

  • Operation Blowback open bolt

  • Feed 25 and 32 round two position feed box magazines

  • Weight 3.150 kg

  • Length stock retracted 642mm stock extended 699mm

  • Barrel 220mm

  • Sights Front blade rear single aperture set at 100m

  • Rate of fire 630 rounds per minute


 

Projectile ID? (posted 9/16/02)  See Update below.

Assistance is needed in the identification of the projectile seen in the x-rays below.  The projectile appears to be in the 22-25 caliber range (note the paper clips in the first image) and has passed through dense bone with no obvious deformation.  Base appears smaller in diameter than the nose.  Some lead fragmentation was found in the victim's shoe and ankle.

Could it be a solid steel or brass bullet/core?  Nose plug from a larger diameter bullet? Blunted lead/copper jacketed bullet?


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Thanks,

Scott Doyle

Update 9/17/02

Captain Tom Parrett of the Memphis Police Department wrote yesterday to suggest the projectile in question resembled a 1944 vintage German 9mm steel bullet core they have in their cartridge collection. The core measured .515" long, had a base diameter of .270" and measured .305" at its largest diameter. The jacket was steel, with a copper colored coating and had a thin lead layer between jacket and core.  Capt. Parrett also supplied an image of the steel core as seen below.

 
(click Images for larger view)


 


Update 10/1/02

Emil Hamza of the Institute for Forensic Sciences, Firearms Laboratory, in Budapest, Hungary writes:

I have seen the X-ray exposures on the AFTE home page about the unidentified projectile. I have a little different opinion about the projectile’s origin than Mr. Tom Parrett. I also think that is a steel core of a bullet, but I would rather suggest that it is a core of a Czechoslovakian 7,62 mm Tokarev, or probably a Czechoslovakian .32 Auto bullet, not a German 9 mm Parabellum core.

On the first attached photo you can see Tokarev bullets (nickel-plated and tombak-plated steel jacketed) and their steel core on the left, and .32 Auto bullets (nickel plated and tombak plated steel jacketed) and their core on the right. Both are Czechoslovakian made, the Tokarevs were produced in the 50’s, the .32 Autos some later.

The Tokarev core measured .536” long, base diameter is .222”, largest diameter is .266”.  The .32 Auto core is .446” long, base diameter is .228”, largest diameter is .249”.

On the second picture you can see from left to the right two different 9 mm Parabellum cores, the 7,62 mm Tokarev and the .32 Auto cores.

Considering their size, shape and the proportions I would suggest that the projectile visible on the X- ray exposures is a 7,62 mm Tokarev steel core.

Best regards,


Emil Hamza
Institute for Forensic Sciences
Firearms Laboratory
H-1903 Budapest, P.O.Box 314/4
Hungary


 

Unknown 25 AUTO bullet (posted 9/13/02) See Update Below

Has anyone seen this type of bullet before? It appears to be a 25 caliber. It weighs 40 grains and probably lost some mass. It has a typical hard copper jacket. The odd thing about it is the lead core. It appears to have a copper wash type coating, similar to a 22 Rimfire type bullet.


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Please contact:

Don Dunbar
California Dept. of Justice
Chico Laboratory
or call 530 895-5024

Update 9/26/02: Thanks to Bill Matty from San Bernardino County, who suggested it could be from a 22 Magnum cartridge manufactured by Winchester. Some of their bullets do have a lead core with a copper wash, under a hard copper jacket.

According to Paul Szabo of Winchester, 22 Magnum bullets made prior to 1992 by Winchester all had copper wash lead cores. Since 1992, only the hollow points have this type of lead core.

Thanks, Don Dunbar



 

Propellant ID Needed (posted 9/9/02)

Update (9/10/02): My thanks to Shane Staniek and Mike Trimpe for both identifying these spheres as pyrotechnic "stars".  They are not a black powder substitute, but rather the contents of fireworks, such as crackering balls.

OK you black powder shooters, this one should be academic.  Do you recognize the propellant in this photo? 

It was submitted as part of a misconduct involving weapons charge where the accused accidentally blew off his thumb.  I placed one of these spheres in a ceramic dish and held a propane torch flame to it.  Nothing happened for several moments, then the sphere erupted in a fierce ball of flame causing the sphere to hop out of the dish, roll across the counter, and burn the Formica.

Thanks,

Bob Shem


 

Unknown Shotshell Wad (posted 8/22/02)

Below is a scan of a shotshell wad from a case I'm working on.

   

I'm trying to figure out the manufacturer.  If anyone has seen this wad please respond to :


or 210-335-4161
 

Update (8/27/02):  Ed Love has advised that he had over 20 contacts regarding the wad.  It was identified as a Federal 12 Gauge wad.


 

380 AUTO Rifling Match Needed (posted 8/21/02)

I have identified two bullets from two different locations and two different dates as having been fired from the same firearm. The manufacturer of the bullets is Winchester WinClean ammunition. The bullet data is as follows:

380 Auto    6/Left   LWD: .088   GWD: .097

When I ran a GRC search on the bullet + - .006" I received four 38 Special revolvers, a 38 S&W revolver and a 9mm Davis Derringer. I also ran 380 Auto/6-L but no guns were found with rifling parameters close to the above mentioned measurements.

Cobra Enterprises located in Salt Lake City is manufacturing a pistol which is basically a Davis make over but I have not been able to obtain any additional information on this pistol's rifling.

If anyone is aware of a brand of pistol with the above rifling parameters please contact:

Bill McBrayer
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Crime Lab
Ph. 704-353-1068

Update (8/27/02):

The following information is in response to a recent case where I was trying to determine what type of firearm(s) we were looking for in a recent Armed Robber case. For some reason the parameters were not in the GRC. AFTE member Michelle Kuehner with the Allegheny County Corner's office headed me in the right direction. Sure enough the pistol we are most likely looking for is a Davis Industries 380 Auto caliber P-380 or that what I have determined the best possibility would be.  I found a P-380 in our reference collection and wanted to forward all the data to you for inclusion if possible.

Michelle indicated in her email for me to try SN around AP468 --- and this is when I found the above mentioned.

Thanks Michelle!
 


 

 

Possible Drop-In Auto Sear? (posted 8/14/02)

Recently a case was submitted to our laboratory in which the suspect was alleged to have converted several firearms to full auto. Some suspected drugs were submitted along with several bags of gun parts. I was able to identify all of the parts in the bags except for one part. Below are several pictures of the part in question. My first thought was that it is a drop-in auto sear of some sort but I'm not really sure.


(Click images for larger views)

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Please contact John R. Clark at 585-428-3446 or by email.

Thank you 

John R. Clark
Monroe County Public Safety Crime Laboratory in Rochester, NY

Update (8/27/02): Chris Monturo wrote today to advise that he and John have identified the part as a clip on night sight for an AK-47.  John did some further research and found it to be of East German origin.
 


 

Unknown Bullet (posted 3/9/02)

I had a .429 inch diameter semi-jacketed bullet come into the lab that I would like to find out who made it.

Thanks,

Evan Thompson
Washington State Patrol

 

UPDATE (3/16/02)

Unconfirmed: from two independent responses, both of which said it was something that Cor Bin Manufacturing put out.  Supposedly you put the piece of lead rope in the copper jacket and place the two items in a swaging press that produces the finished product (along with the tit on the bullet).

 



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